17.8 Of the Order and Daily Life (KV17.8)

Controverted Point: That it should not be said that “`The Order `enjoys', `eats', `drinks”'.

The reason and the adherents as above.

Theravādin: But you must admit that there are those who partake of the meals of the Order, both daily and on special occasions, both of rice-gruel and of drink.

Moreover, did not the Exalted One speak of “meals taken in company”, “in turn”, “of food left over”, and “not left over”? And did He not speak of eight kinds of drinks: “mango-syrup, jambu-syrup, plantain-syrup, mocha-syrup, honey-syrup, grape-juice, lilyroot-syrup, and phārusaka-syrup”? How then can you maintain your view?

Mahāsuññatāvādin: But does a Path, does Fruition “enjoy”, “eat”, “drink”? … .

The Points of Controversy, an English translation of the Pali Abhidhamma Kathāvatthu. Translated by Shwe Zan Aung and C.A.F. Rhys Davids. First published by Pali Text Society, 1915.

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