16.10 Of Desire for Life in the Higher Heavens (KV16.10)

Controverted Point: That lust for life in Rūpa or Arūpa spheres is included among the data thereof.

Theravādin: Similar to Kv 16.9 PTS CS 16.9.1.

And you cannot maintain your view without admitting that a corresponding lust for the objects of hearing, smelling, taste and touch is one of the data in the sphere of each of these respectively.

If you cannot affirm the latter, you cannot make an exception of the former.

Next with regard to (ii.) lust for life on the Arūpa immaterial plane as a datum thereof—my first argument used above (Kv 16.9) holds good. . So does my second used above (PTS CS 16.10.2). If your proposition is to stand, then a desire for each sense-object must be among the elemental data of the sphere of that particular object. You cannot make an exception of the desire for life in the immaterial sphere.

Andhaka: But is not desire for life in the plane of sense kāmadhātu among the elemental data of that plane? Then surely you cannot make an exception as to desire for life in the Rūpa and Arūpa spheres?

The Points of Controversy, an English translation of the Pali Abhidhamma Kathāvatthu. Translated by Shwe Zan Aung and C.A.F. Rhys Davids. First published by Pali Text Society, 1915.

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